1s flop, 2s power to victory thanks to chicken tikka, 3s flap and 4s draw
Southgate v Stanmore
Stanmore won by 41 runs
Stanmore 122 all out (54 overs)
Southgate 81 all out (53.2 overs)
Mukesh Bhatt 8-33
After consecutive washouts the first XI viewed the home match against Stanmore as a key game and prime opportunity for some desperately needed points.
With Mark Ramprakash declaring on TMS that he would continue to play the odd match for Stanmore it was reassuring to find out that the master stroke maker was otherwise engaged and would not be featuring on this occasion. It was a good toss to win and the captain inserted on a green damp surface.
A wicket in the first over for Carmi was the perfect start and good accurate bowling combined with the slowness of surface and outfield made for a war of attrition. Good bowling and fielding made run scoring very difficult indeed.
At lunch the score read 44/4 from 30 overs with Stanmore’s opening bat Steve Mehra on a resolute 14 not out and skipper Mark Reingold batting in typically determined fashion
Post lunch a 2nd wicket for Mir brought the dangerous Nick Goh in at 7. A partnership of 56 for the 6th wicket changed the game with both batsmen chancing their arm and picking up a couple of precious boundaries and attacking the greater pace of Mir and Le Roux.
Johnson made a double change and slowed the pace with Yeomans and Hadgie who made the breakthrough immediately snapping up Goh and Reingold in quick succession. This was followed by the final 3 wickets to produce the remarkable bowling figures of 14 overs 5 maidens 7 for 16 showing that on a wicket with a bit of juice our Sri Lankan magician is always a handful.
After a good bowling and fielding effort it was important to bat really well and sadly the batsman all failed with accurate left arm spin from Mukesh Bhatt causing the major damage.
Johnson threatened with a 55 ball 16 and Hadgie with a quicker 23 showed what might have and probably should have been with a good attacking innings down the order.
Too many shots across the line, a lack of positive intent and footwork, possibly not enough application, there are several ways to look at it but 81 all out left us 42 short of a win we desperately needed.
Credit is due to Stanmore who are well known for grinding out a result and to Bhatt who’s 8 wicket haul was no fluke, you don’t get close to 250 league wickets and over 20 five wicket hauls in the Premier Division without being a fine bowler. His relentless accuracy summed up a determined and focused effort throughout 108 overs of hard fought cricket.
League leaders Winchmore hill will provide another stern test.
South Hampstead v Southgate
Southgate won by 26 runs
Southgate 169-9 (55 overs)
Dave Woffenden 70
South Hampstead 143 all out (42 overs)
H Bagwar 8-64
Despite the relentless rain in recent weeks, the 2nd XI rocked up to South Hampstead surprised to see a hard, flat wicket. Somewhat more surprisingly, Captain Sage chose to bat with a diluted batting line-up, in the absence of Messrs Ellis, Robinson and Joseph. However, Carr assured the troops that this was all part of the plan.
Bellwood returned from injury to make his first appearance of the season, however his stay at the crease was short-lived as he departed without troubling the scorers. In contrast, Karim batted aggressively, playing some flamboyant cover drives before knicking off. Berman and Saeed, found accumulating runs a struggle against some good seam bowling. In true Southgate fashion, Berman dug in scoring 15 off as many overs, while Saeed failed to reach double figures. This brought Wooffers to the crease, who showed the steel within the Southgate middle-order, compiling a fine knock off 70, including a number of well-executed pull shots. It is worth noting that the South Hampstead outfield was comparable to the rough at Royal Lytham and St Anne’s, meaning boundaries were hard to come by. Wooffers was briefly supported by Lassman and Ali and then by Bajwa, who batted very well for 38 and had a pivotal partnership with Wooffers, helping us towards a competitive total.
Tea comprised a vast array of sandwiches, various Asian delicacies and some typically English delights. After a long time at the crease, Woffers couldn’t believe his luck upon hearing that almost all the South Hampstead team would not be eating tea because it is Ramadan. Dave had no second thoughts, in filling his plate for a second and third time. It was probably my favourite tea of the season thus far. A particular highlight was the chicken tikka sandwiches. It seemed that chicken tikka had taken a break from the Middlesex League Cricket this season, however this magnificent re-emergence was very enjoyable and I hope to see it feature in more teas in the second-half of the season.
Fully refuelled, Wooffers and Ali took the new ball. Ali bowled well but had little luck while Wooffers picked up one wicket in a hostile spell, comprising the full works: rib-ticklers, bouncers and yorkers. Captain Sage decided to take the pace off the ball, and brought on Bajwa and himself fairly quickly. A suprising decision, considering that some say Bajwa’s off-spin is actually quicker than Woofferz. Just a rumour…
After a promising start, South Hampstead looked set to take the spoils, however Bajwa had other ideas. Bajwa tested the patience of the South Hampstead batsman, bowling with guile, control and good flight. Sage lead by example in the field, taking a brilliant catch in the deep confirming the old adage that catches win matches. From then on the wickets began to tumble, like the chicken tikka sandwiches just a few hours earlier. Bajwa bowled extremely well on his way to an eight-wicket haul and Ali polished off their number 11 with a toe-crushing yorker.
Sage took credit for the victory with his tactical master-plan however in truth the victory was set-up by a a fine knock from Wooffers, a brilliant spell of spin bowling from Bajwa and some tidy fielding. Josh Berman
Southgate v Uxbridge
Uxbridge won by 135 runs
Uxbridge 176-7 dec (51 overs)
Southgate 41 all out
On a beautiful Saturday morning Southgate’s 3rd XI assembled at the Walker Ground hoping to collect their first 10 points of the season, however the team suffered an early blow when news came that skipper Carter had been struck down with ‘man flu’ – luckily, Anton Devkamalth was able to take his place. Captain for the day Roy Marett won the toss and invited Uxbridge side to bat, which seemed a good decision as it appeared there was a small reservoir next to the strip…
We initially started very well with Huntingford and Marett opening the bowling. Roy actually quadrupled his wicket tally for the season in one match with figures of 3-36, and Adam Journing ending with 2-46. We then had a familiar sight in the 3s this season, as a tall, usually overseas, player comes to the crease and starts raining 6s over the leg side boundary. T Khan was this man, hitting 78 and hardly bothering to run between the creases. Uxbridge then declared on 176-6 after 51 overs, a total they should have been pleased with considering how well we bowled at the beginning.
However as the tea ended and we started to stroll back to the back pitch, it all went a bit wrong… It’s never good when ‘extras’ is challenging to be top scorer; we lost our two openers very cheaply early on, and didn’t recoverer, the Dias duo of Vernon and Will were the only shinning lights of the innings as they collected 13 and 8 runs respectively. Unfortunately we were bowled out for 41, and still the first 10 points of the season is being chased. Maybe next week will bring different fortunes. Mark Hughes
The morning was spent on the phone determining whether there was any chance on play (Chiswick seemed to have missed the deluge that washed out play at Southgate), getting boys to the ground and then navigating the chaos caused by the M4 closure. In one way it was back to the old days with half the team travelling by train.
Not surprisingly there was a late start and we were duly inserted on a damp but hard pitch. The opening attack was by the far the best I’ve faced in the 4th XI for some time, so probably average for a decent 3rd XI. Fortunately we had the old guard of Gunn and Gordon to battle through. Such was the challenge that Gunny even called for his helmet. Ricky went after about 10 overs lbw, not going quietly but engaging Julius in some umpiring training on the way. Shiv-raj had a dart and looked good for a while, but was caught in the covers. There was a long, solid partnership between Gordon and Lassman which took us to about 90. Paul looked solid and busy without ever really accelerating. Scoring was a genuine struggle with the long boundary on one side and the wet grass, even though the change bowlers weren’t of the same quality. Both perished when trying to get the score ticking, Paul getting 40 (which has got to be a bonus for someone who thought his game was washed out when the 3s were called off!).
The innings changed when debutant Rishad came to the crease. He started striking cleanly and built up pace, taking an exhilarating 25 off one over (3×4, 2×6, 1) from one of the opening bowlers. It looked a different game for a while, but sadly he fell caught behind with about 5 overs to go and no one else could achieve the same scoring rate. Though we were quite happy with our total given the conditions.
Anton had to go early so talked himself into opening the bowling and it looked like an inspired choice when he bowled the opener in his first over with a beauty that wobbled away and then cut back. Sadly that proved to be a one-off and he set off home after 3 overs. Abdullah started at the other end and was typically accurate during a long spell. He was unlucky in that a couple of sharp chances went down in the slips (Lassman proving that even brilliant outfielders need a bit of practice before joining the cordon). The dropped catches were the real story of the innings. These continued throughout the innings. Some were heroic efforts (Matt Dias diving at backward square leg) and others were straightforward. TGP never got on top of the bowling but as they approached the 4 point target accelerated and made it comfortably by aggressive running, safe in the knowledge that they had wickets to play with. We really had to take every catch to be in with a chance of the win. Towards the end Marcello and the other debutant, Rashed, both picked up well deserved wickets but ultimately we were powerless to stop our opponents make the reduced target in a small number of overs. Doug Gordon
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A nice mix of match reports, some fantastic in-depth reporting on lunch/tea spreads – thanks all. Sorry for lack of pictures, you’ll have to use your imaginations
Eastcote v Southgate
Eastcote won by 130 runs
Eastcote 324-6 dec (46 overs)
Southgate 194 all out (49.4 overs)
The Eastcote XI was packed with a number of current and former pros plus two overseas players while Southgate were understrength – so on paper this looked a miss-match. What followed was a demolition job. Having stuck them in, Eastcote smashed it from ball one with excellent knocks from all of the top three, including 90 from Adam Rossington whose ability to sweep and reverse sweep with absolute conviction was hugely impressive. With some short boundaries it was very difficult to contain and with 324/6 on the tins Eastcote pulled out on only 46 overs. A maiden league century of the wrong kind for RJ was only sweetened by three wickets, but all of the figures were pretty dire in truth with economy rates in excess of 6 and 7 across the board.
At this point I’d like to pay tribute to the Eastcote catering, which as ever was absolutely magnificent.
Bacon sandwich or yoghurt with cup of tea on arrival.
Lunch a choice of roast beef and Yorkshire pudding (the captain’s favourite) or salmon
Choc ice or Cornetto for dessert
Good traditional cricket tea
This was certainly a silver lining to what was quite a substantial cloud.
With the prospect of 74 overs to bat we looked set to knock it off in no time as Jouning crashed ball one to the boundary, but left-arm opening bowler Gurgit Sandhu picked up him and Alvin, leaving the two Toms, Yeomans and Edric,h to rebuild with a mountain of runs required.
They soon got into their stride, however, and with some classy shots both young batsman looked in good shape, but with Yeomans neatly taken at slip 325 looked a distant prospect. Faisal came and went but young Edrich grew in confidence with some fine shots through the covers and looked set for a maiden 50. That wasn’t to be however as he fell LBW and late call-up Paddy Robinson joined the captain.
Both hung in for around an hour or so straddling the interval but Sandhu in his post-tea spell decided to go for a bodyline approach, which proved a great test for the Southgate lower order and an entertaining session ensued. The experienced Goodchild picked up Robinson with a top-class leg side stumping from Rossington and with Johnson caught at backward square leg for 33 it was Dunnett and Le Roux into the mix. Both batsman decided to play some shots and some good strokes followed, with both batsman taking on the short ball and going after anything full down the ground to made entertaining 20s apiece
Young Josh Berman got a taste of first-team action for the first time with the first ball he faced thudding into his chest. But he also got into the act with a couple of lusty blows, but 194 all out in 49.4 was another nil points for the ‘Gate.
There is no question the season has been a tough step up and the quality of opposition in the recent matches we’ve played has been excellent. The opportunity to play against some of the best up and coming players in the county as well as some seasoned old pros is a great privilege and we have improved in many areas. Seeing our young players pitted against these tough teams is great to see and we welcome back Ashley Sivarajah next week to add his left-arm spin to the mix.
We have a number of key games coming up against teams in the lower half of the table and we need to seize the moment. Rob Johnson
Southgate v Wycombe House
Southgate won by 7 wickets
Wycombe House 126 all out (45 overs)
Carr 3 for 14
Woffinden 3 for 48
Southgate 129-3 (38 overs)
They say that absence makes the heart grow fonder. That’s certainly the case for the Walker Ground on a sunny Saturday afternoon. The outfield was immaculate, the scenery picturesque, as always, and, judging but the sight of our keeper-batsman standing next to the cut strip drooling with anticipation, the wicket was going to be a belter.
The skipper arrived fashionably late, looking enviably trim for a man of his years and sporting a slacks and blazer combo that Douglas Jardine would have been proud of. By this point fielding practice was well under way, with the youngsters responding to the call to arms from Max Joseph in last week’s Bugle and the veterans comparing notes as to which parts of their bodies were falling apart (most) and anticipating how much pain they would be in on Sunday morning (plenty).
Our visitors from Wycombe House, with a similar mix of youth and experience, won the toss and elected to bat. Normal service was resumed when their young opener skied one of Woffers’ ever so tempting pies and was very well taken by Alex Kennedy at mid on.
A war of attrition then ensued with two aggressive batsmen determined to score quickly in their favoured areas and Woffers and Abdul determined to give them nothing they could go after. Both bowlers beat the bat and found the edge in a marathon opening bowling partnership, Abdul picking up the top- scoring opener caught behind by Scott Ellis and bowling the number 3 to finish with 2 for 51 from 15 overs. At the other end Woffers trundled away, inducing a variety of mistimed big hits including a thick edge that spiralled to Mark Hughes at short third man for a comfortable catch before finally being rested after 20 overs, picking up 3 for 48.
By this stage Sage had brought himself into the attack, welcomed by the filthiest smear of the day first ball and immediately responding with his trademark double windmill when the next attempted big hit resulted in his nemesis being clean bowled. Sage then ensured that he took home the gold and silver in the overreaction to taking a wicket stakes by wheeling away towards Enfield to celebrate his caught and bowled dismissal of the dangerous number four.
Ravi Desai (2 for 3 from 2 overs) made an immediate impact, luring a lofted drive to the safe hands of Adam Jouning at cover before bowling the number 10 with a beautiful quicker ball to leave Sage to pick up the last wicket and to finish with 3 for 14 from his 6.5 overs. It was a great all round effort, with Wycombe House never given a chance to get to the game.
126 all out on a beautiful batting track was never going to be enough and there was an almost audible acceptance of the inevitably of defeat when their young quick bowler dropped a fraction short first ball and was pulled with power and precision to the mid wicket boundary by Scott. Helped by some wayward bowling and equally ineffective sledging, Scott and Kareem Hassinan put on 45 for the first wicket and set a solid foundation before falling for 32 and 28 respectively.
Max came in at number 3 and played a very controlled knock of 27 to take Southgate within sight of victory before Adeel Saeed (22*) and Alex (7*) finished the job.
It was great to see our core of young batsmen take control of the run chase, taking their time but making sure we knocked off the runs with 17 overs to spare and only 3 wickets down. The stroke play, particularly some of the drives down the ground and through the covers, was a pleasure to watch. An ideal warm up for unbeaten Hornsey next week. David Woffinden
Harrow Town v Southgate
Harrow Town 287-6 dec (50 overs)
Southgate 159-7 (50 overs)
I find myself today in a rare position of luxury. Captain Mike Carter is away next week and I have thus been entrusted to house the sturdy 3rd XI scorebook until his return, a seemingly uninteresting event perhaps, but one that grants me the unusual opportunity to pen a Southgate CC match report that comprises both statistical detail and numerical accuracy. To take full advantage of the occasion, I structure my assessment of our contest with Harrow Town as a list of significant numbers. I will see it as an added bonus if, at the end of this report, you, my reader, are able to piece together, with at least vague similarity to the actual event, the story from last Saturday.
2: the number of times I have played at the lovely Rayners Lane ground in as many weekends. The same is true of Ricky Gunn, as we had both featured in the 2nd team’s drubbing by Harrow Town the week before.
97: minutes in my journey from Golders Green. Last week it took 25. Damn all Planned Engineering Works on the Metropolitan Line.
1/2: probability that Mike Carter would win the toss, despite having succeeded at only one of his previous seven attempts. Eventually he did win, and thankfully made the both wise and logical decision that was asking Harrow Town to bat.
27: overs into the game when Nadeem Mazhar (finally getting a ball to pitch) broke Harrow’s opening partnership with a sharp caught and bowled.
138: runs scored when this happened.
17: excellent overs bowled by Sam Faruqi, who can feel unlucky to come away with figures of 2-105.
1000000: (very) approximate number of seconds the ball was in the air before somehow falling, and fortuitously sticking, in my hands at deep mid wicket. The wicket, off our excellent skipper’s bowling, was the fifth of the Harrow Town innings, in the fortieth over, with the score on just over 200.
79: not out, the score of the extremely hard-hitting Harrow Town no.5, who bludgeoned us to all corners, curves and edges of the rather small ground. His onslaught in the final few overs was demoralising, yet impressive to watch.
4: my conservative estimate of the number of catches dropped during Roy Marett’s characteristically unlucky opening 13 overs. All of these were during the opening partnership, and they certainly cost us.
6: number of very good balls bowled in Julius Thomson’s final over, reminding us that the preceding five overs had been well below his best, and that we can expect a lot more good bowling to come this season.
288-5: the Harrow Town score when they finally declared, fifty overs into the contest.
42-45 overs: the period of the game during which Harrow Town should have declared, had they studied more diligently the batting woes of our side so far this season.
Boring, boring, boring. I shall revert instead, in my brief account of the game’s second half, to a more natural prose style.
Had Harrow Town been, as I above suggest, more meticulous in their pre-match research, they would have learned that the highest total so far reached by the 3rd XI’s batsmen this year is 171, with our average summation significantly fewer. Moreover, with Hassanin, Jouning, Kennedy and Hughes all called up to the 2nd team, a Southgate victory was, well, rather unlikely.
We started too slowly: 21-0 in 13 overs. The middle order failed, with only Groves and the promising Hassan just about entering double figures. Near the death Sam Faruqi’s powerful blade redeemed some respectability, albeit only 16 runs worth, whilst Will Dias and Julius Thomson showed commendable resilience in blocking out for a draw. We finished 7 wickets down, 129 runs short of our target.
However, from the rather gloomy result, there is one positive we can now draw. In a fairly dismal display of batting, there was one player who shone above the rest. In the unattractive show of strokeplay, there was one blade that struck with measured, skilful, controlled intent. That blocked the good balls and smashed the bad, that pushed ones and twos with ease, that reminded the rest of us how it should be done. Opening up, captain Mike Carter compiled a superb 61 – his maiden fifty for the club – an innings that, you never know, had he continued, may even have made it a little, just a little, bit closer.
More of the same please, skip. Whilst, for the rest of us, starting next week, let’s catch our catches and score more runs. Paul Lassman
Southgate v Brentham
Middlesex League Cup
Ealing v Southgate
Southgate won by 13 runs
Southgate 225 all out (45 overs)
Ealing 212 all out (42.3 overs)
After losing to Ealing in the league the week before, Southgate were keen to get some revenge in the cup this weekend and get back into a winning habit. On a flat deck the captain won the toss and chose to bat first.
Having received a drunken text from Phil at 6.02 am on Sunday morning, I wasn’t overly confident watching him open our innings less than 7 hours later. His middle stump was sent flying first ball of the game, an event of great amusement later on. Yeomans soon followed lbw to their left armer and we were precariously placed at 19-2. Carmi (35) who had been promoted up the order to take advantage of the powerplay, and Edrich (32) did a good job of digging in and rebuilding the innings but both fell when appearing well set. Faisal played fluently for 21 but at 123-5, a big partnership was still required to get us up to a challenging total in excess of 200. This came from Johnson (63) and Ellis (27), as they both hit the spinners straight and ran extremely well between the wickets. Rob in particular dominated as they changed the bowling with no reward. Some lower order cameos from Saeed and Hartman eventually got us up to 225, a total that we thought was about par, with them chasing 5 an over on a good wicket with a fast outfield.
Tea was pretty good, personal highlights were the spicy chicken wings (definitely not fish this time) and pizza. 8/10, but perhaps not quite up to the exceptional standard of Eastcote.
Carmi and the Hoff opened up with the ball, both bowling accurately and unfortunate to be wicketless. However the run rate never rose above 4 in the early overs, and they kept Ahmad, who seems to play against us every year for a different club and we knew to be a dangerous player, particularly quiet. Yeomans came on first change, doing a similar job hitting the top of off and building pressure which resulted in a run out. Tom continued his disciplined bowling and picked up the 2nd wicket following a rash shot, leaving the game evenly poised at 95/2 at drinks, as we listened to the Hoff discussing how the ribena was stronger concentrated than the orange and so preferable to consume.
Their overseas came in at 4 playing some good shots all around the wicket and with Ahmad at the other end it seemed to be heading their way, but wicketkeeper Dunnett, having shaken off his sore head, had the ball in his hand and got the breakthrough after a smart stumping by Ellis. Johnson (4-22) then dismissed both the overseas and their aggressive number 5. A great atmosphere was building in the field as we realised their 6 and 7 were not as strong as the top 5 and still required 50 odd runs. We kept chipping away with Carmi, Rob and Phil rotating and were also helped by an outstanding catch by Adeel, who damaged his thumb such was the velocity with which their batter struck one of Rob’s deliveries, and a fortunate run out. Eventually we got to the last pair with 40 still required and felt confident, but they could still play and after a few boundaries their crowd started to become louder as they believed a victory still possible. Unfortunately a new bowler was required with 16 to win, and with Faisal injured, Rob must have looked around the field several times before handing the ball to Edrich. I had never bowled seam up in a game before, but this seemed a good time to start and 3rd ball their number 11 slogged one up in the air, and we had a victory against the odds.
I doubt many of our XI had ever won at Ealing before, probably excluding the Hoff, and it had been a great team performance with lots of people chipping in with the bat, and some unusual bowlers pressed into action. We move on to Richmond or Winchmore Hill in the quarters, and a massive game v Hornsey next Saturday. Tom Edrich
And finally… the match report for the 1st XI v Ealing game a week ago
Southgate v Ealing
Ealing won by 111 runs
Ealing 246-7 (51 overs)
Southgate 135 all out (50 overs)
J Jouning 74
Southgate’s 1st XI have had a demanding fortnight with the visit of Ealing and an away trip to Eastcote, two of the strongest teams in the Middlesex County League top flight.
The Ealing encounter began with captain Johnson indirectly involved in another road traffic incident with pre match telephonic pleasantries leading to one Ealing’s premier batsman seeing the blues and twos and ultimately arriving an hour late on the train his car having being impounded!
The Ealing batting unit however looked strong with the exciting Ollie Wilkin and dependable Chris Peploe putting on fifty in good time. With ominous cloud cover overhead our opening bowlers and particularly Carmi had looked good but Ealing looked set for a big total.
We needed a bit of luck and it came in the form of a rather cheeky run out. As a well-run to cow corner became a wicket with a good return from the deep relayed gently to the keepers end where a direct hit rendered Wilkin a step out of hit crease. One quickly became two as Peploe fell skiing a good slower ball from Le Roux and the complexion of the game had changed.
More good work from the bowlers followed with Ealing’s overseas out bolwed sweeping Bajwa and their new keeper caught well at mid-off from the bowling of Hadgie. Four down at lunch.
Post lunch another good half an hour saw two more wickets and overall a good a competitive fielding and bowling effort with Le Roux leading the attack well to grab two wickets and at 160/6 Southgate were in a reasonable position. There was however to be a counter punch from Ealing with good contributions from Hawk, Landman and Parry. By forcing the pace and clearly with an eye on the weather they declared on 51 overs with 246/7 on the new score board.
At this point I would like to extend a sincere word of thanks to everyone involved in the new scoreboard project with specific mention for Jeremy Dangerfield who has worked really hard to make this happen.
Ealing have not won 7 consecutive championships with good reason and they bowled and fielded exceptionally well. Jamie Jouning stood tall for Southgate with an excellent 74 but sadly only RJ with 17 made double figures and we rolled over for 136 with Peploe grabbing five wickets. It was perhaps a case of them raising their game under pressure and showing why they’ve been successful. It was also perhaps due to some frail batting from the Southgate XI who really can and should perform better.
The match wasn’t played in tremendous spirit and Southgate were left to ponder what might have been. Rob Johnson
And finally… curry
Faisal is organising a trip to proud sponsors Dipali for a post-match curry on Saturday night. If you’d like to go along for a meal at one of north London’s finest curry houses, drop him an email at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Paul Lassman is taking over the editor’s chair while I go on a secret mission to Palermo to see if I can collect a few top-order batsmen, a brace of all rounders, four or five fiery pace bowlers and a string of spinners. It’s a business think you understand…